CHRIS GORE / HOW GOOD IS THE FATHER, REALLY?

What if Jesus didn’t come to change the Father’s mind about us—but to change our minds about the Father? Jason sits down with Chris Gore to explore his new book, How Good Is the Father, Really?, and the staggering goodness of God revealed in Jesus. From union and the cross to wrath, punishment, healing, and justice, Chris challenges the punitive God many of us inherited and invites us to discover a Father who is “always only good.” Along the way, they explore why the Father never turned His face from Jesus, how wrath might actually be love confronting everything that destroys the beloved, and why the gospel isn’t about escaping earth but bringing love, healing, hope, and life to the world right now. For more info on Chris: https://www.chrisgore.org/

Why Does God Test Us?

Every test by God is an invitation to transition from one narrative to another, from control to love, from orphan to son or daughter, from bondage to freedom, from fractured thinking to wholeness, from our perspective to His, from our best thoughts about who He is, to the truth about who He is, from our story, to the whole story; the one He is telling.

Heaven, Hell, and the Older Brother

If our hearts don’t truly desire to see all our brothers and sisters “in the party” in this life and the next, it’s past time to repent.

DANNY SILK / UNPUNISHABLE

Parenting, leadership, freedom through self-control, spiritual maturity, emotional health, the nature of our Father, and heaven and hell, Danny’s thoughts and gracious communication are empowering and transformative. It was an honor to discuss the unpunishing nature of God with Danny!

PETE ENNS / …FINDING A BIGGER GOD

In this delightful conversation, Jason, Brooke, and Pete Enns explore the complexities of faith, scripture, and personal experiences. They discuss the historical context of biblical inerrancy, the importance of experiential faith, and the interconnectedness of all things.

The dialogue emphasizes the significance of relationship in understanding God, the role of community, and the impact of suffering and love on one’s faith journey. The light-hearted discussion about tacos became a fun metaphor for the diversity of thought in theology, highlighting the need for openness and exploration in both food and faith.

Panic In The Backseat

When Karen was five, she had her first and only panic attack. It was on a Sunday, after church. She had a tummy ache and, with it, a sudden terror. What if she died? She began to hyperventilate. So, dad and mom put her in the car, where she sat in the back seat between her grandmothers. And they raced to the hospital.

In that moment of paralyzing fear, when five-year-old Karen thought she was dying, she told her grandmothers she wanted to ask Jesus into her heart.

And she did.

WM. PAUL YOUNG / ETERNAL LIFE, THE EVER PRESENT NOW

“Eternal life is not on a timeline, it is the ever-present now.”

Wm Paul Young, the author of The Shack, talks with Lloyd and Jason Clark about eternal life, an authentic friendship with our Father where we are free to live in the ever-present now. Union, peace, grace, expectancy, trust, facing our fear, the incarnation, death, writing for the one, and stories about Pauls’s friends on death row and the Shack movie, this is an authentic and vulnerable conversation.

Encountering Humanity on 5th and 2nd

Masks, no masks, a black woman, a middle-aged white woman, a red neck, an old white man, and a black man met up yesterday on the corner of 5th and 2nd to work together for the good of humanity!

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CHRIS GORE / HOW GOOD IS THE FATHER, REALLY?

What if Jesus didn’t come to change the Father’s mind about us—but to change our minds about the Father? Jason sits down with Chris Gore to explore his new book, How Good Is the Father, Really?, and the staggering goodness of God revealed in Jesus. From union and the cross to wrath, punishment, healing, and justice, Chris challenges the punitive God many of us inherited and invites us to discover a Father who is “always only good.” Along the way, they explore why the Father never turned His face from Jesus, how wrath might actually be love confronting everything that destroys the beloved, and why the gospel isn’t about escaping earth but bringing love, healing, hope, and life to the world right now. For more info on Chris: https://www.chrisgore.org/

MICOLE & BETHANY WALLACE / WHEN CHURCH HURT MEETS RADICAL HOPE

What happens when church hurt, stage IV cancer, and deep theological reconstruction collide with an unshakable conviction that God is better than we’ve been told? In this deeply vulnerable conversation, Micole and Bethany Wallace share their remarkable journey—from serving fourteen years as worship pastors, to losing the ministry they thought would be home forever, to discovering Restoration City, walking through reconciliation with former friends, and facing Bethany’s stage IV breast cancer diagnosis.
Together they explore union with Christ, emotional healing, the impact of trauma on the body, the restoration of relationships, and the radical trust that grows when we stop pleading with God and begin to rest in His unwavering goodness. It’s a conversation about worship, healing, forgiveness, hope, and the long game of love that reminds us reconciliation is not just possible—it’s at the very heart of the gospel.

STEPHEN K DE SILVA / MONEY & THE PROSPEROUS SOUL

Jason and Brooke Waters sit down with Stephen K. De Silva for one of the most practical conversations you’ll hear on identity, money, and the goodness of God. Together they explore why belief systems always outrun financial skills, how orphan thinking quietly sabotages our lives, why adoption is the heart of the gospel, and what it looks like to build a prosperous soul instead of merely accumulating wealth. If you’ve ever wrestled with fear, scarcity, performance, or wondered how union with the Father transforms the way you live, work, and steward what you’ve been given, this conversation offers a refreshing vision of freedom rooted in beloved identity rather than striving.

JIM LOVEJOY / FIRE PITS, FAMILY & THE FUTURE OF CHURCH

In this conversation, Jason and his son, Ethan, sit down with Jim Lovejoy for an honest, deeply personal discussion about leaving behind performance-based Christianity and discovering the freedom of beloved identity. Jimmy shares his remarkable journey from Marine, coach, and revival-driven evangelist to a father, mentor, and voice calling people into rest, family, and the love of God. The guys explore the difference between striving and learning, revival and reformation, church as an event versus church as family, and why the future of the Kingdom may look more like fire pits, shared meals, and authentic relationships than polished stages. If you’ve ever wondered whether God’s love is bigger than your performance, this conversation offers hope, healing, and a fresh vision of what it means to follow Jesus.

JUSTIN PAUL ABRAHAM / THE FUTURE IS BETTER THAN YOU THINK

Justin Paul Abraham joins Jason for one of the most expansive conversations, exploring what happens when the gospel is no longer driven by fear, but by union, joy, and the limitless goodness of God. Together they unpack mystical encounters, the logic of love, contemplative spirituality, technology, creativity, AI, the future of humanity, and why the Kingdom isn’t retreating from the world—it’s transforming it. From the charismatic movement to ancient Christian mysticism, from heaven invading earth to discovering Christ in every corner of creation, this conversation invites listeners into a bigger, brighter vision of the gospel where love is the organizing principle of reality, and the future has never been more hopeful.

LATOYA LACKEY / THE BLUFF HOUSE: FINDING HIS REST

This conversation with author and podcaster Latoya Lackey is about rest, identity, union with God, and the exhausting weight of performance-driven faith. Together, Jason and Latoya unpack how fear-based religion, striving, comparison, and the need for validation keep us disconnected from the peace Jesus modeled. Through stories of burnout, awakening, marriage, ministry, belonging, and discovering the goodness of God through voices like Baxter Kruger and the early church fathers, this conversation becomes an invitation to stop living from pressure and start living from presence. If you’ve ever felt exhausted trying to prove yourself to God, others, or even yourself, this episode feels like a deep breath for the soul.

JAMES E. ALDERMAN & LARRY HUDSON / THE “GOSPEL” I GREW UP ON

In this deeply honest and hope-filled conversation, Jason sits down with James E. Alderman and Larry Hudson to unpack “the gospel they grew up on” and the journey of waking up to a God who has never turned away. Together they explore fear-based religion, the Romans Road, transactional Christianity, healing, union, identity, and the radical discovery that God is better than we imagined. Through stories of pastoring, deconstruction, friendship, prayer, suffering, healing, and grace, this episode becomes an invitation to stop striving for God’s affection and finally learn how to live loved. If you’ve ever wrestled with shame, separation, church hurt, or trying to earn what was already yours in Christ, this conversation will feel like fresh air for your soul.

KATHERINE GANTLETT / WALKING THROUGH WINTER

What happens when pain tears apart the version of God you were handed? In this deeply moving conversation, Jason sits down with author Katherine Gantlett to explore grief, miscarriage, breast cancer, hope, prayer, and the relentless goodness of God revealed in Jesus. Together they wrestle through questions of suffering, sovereignty, identity, union, and what it means to discover that God never abandoned us in winter seasons. From Brad Jersak and Paul Young to Psalm 22, Julian of Norwich, “Hygge for the Heartbroken,” and the healing power of presence, this episode is a raw and beautiful invitation to stop future-tripping, embrace the divine dance, and discover that even in the depths, Christ is deeper still.

GODFREY BIRTILL / OTRAGEOUS GRACE

In this episode, Jason sits down with singer/songwriter Godfrey Birtill for a raw, funny, and moving conversation about outrageous grace, creativity, religion, and the scandalous goodness of God. From psychiatric wards to worship conferences and presence-filled songs, Godfrey shares how divine encounters, playful creativity, and a deep understanding of grace transformed his life and music, inspiring a fresh perspective on God’s love and the power of song. He also shares the story behind lyrics that have carried healing to thousands. Together, the fella explore what happens when the gospel stops being about performance and starts becoming an awakening to union, love, and the realization that God has never been disappointed in us.

C. BAXTER KRUGER / THE RANSOM OF JESUS: A DEEP DIVE INTO DIVINE JUSTICE

This episode highlights Jason and Baxter Kruger’s show Across All Worlds. In this conversation, they explore the profound depths of the gospel, focusing on the ransom of Jesus, the restoration of justice, and the transformative love of God. The discussion challenges traditional views, emphasizing a Christological lens and the divine exchange that redefines our understanding of justice and sonship.

TOMMY MILLER & BOBBY SHANE BROOKS / THE CROSS, SONSHIP & WHY JESUS KEPT HIS SCARS

TOMMY MILLER & BOBBY SHANE BROOKS / THE CROSS, SONSHIP & WHY JESUS KEPT HIS SCARS

What if the gospel is better than we thought? In this live conversation, Jason joins  Tommy Miller and Bobby Shane Brooks at the Homecoming Conference to explore union, sonship, healing, friendship with God, and the awakening happening in the Church today. From stories of heartbreak and family to revelation and restored identity, to why Jesus kept His scars, this is a conversation about discovering that love is the long game.

TULLIAN TCHIVIDJIAN / FRAGMENTS OF FREEDOM

TULLIAN TCHIVIDJIAN / FRAGMENTS OF FREEDOM

In this heartfelt and wide-ranging conversation, Jason Clark talks with Tullian Tchividjian about his new book, Fragments of Freedom. They dive into radical grace, the beauty of an “unchained life,” and how true freedom in Christ dismantles religious performance, fear, and control. Filled with laughter, vulnerability, and passionate theology, the episode also celebrates music (especially Pink Floyd), recovery community, and the joy of simply enjoying the gift of life. It’s a refreshing, no-BS discussion about what happens when grace is allowed to be as disruptive and measureless as it really is.

THOMAS JAY OORD / A SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY OF LOVE

THOMAS JAY OORD / A SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY OF LOVE

In this enriching conversation, Jason Clark welcomes back theologian and author Thomas Jay Oord for a deep dive into uncontrolling love, open and relational theology, and his groundbreaking new book, A Systematic Theology of Love. They explore rethinking God’s power, the nature of love as the center of theology, navigating scripture through a Christological lens, mystery and reason, life after death, and why God is not in control but is perfectly loving. The discussion also touches on Oord’s spiritual nature film Seer, photography, and living in relational trust with a responsive God.

Faith

confidence or trust:
STEPHEN K  DE SILVA / MONEY & THE PROSPEROUS SOUL

STEPHEN K DE SILVA / MONEY & THE PROSPEROUS SOUL

Jason and Brooke Waters sit down with Stephen K. De Silva for one of the most practical conversations you’ll hear on identity, money, and the goodness of God. Together they explore why belief systems always outrun financial skills, how orphan thinking quietly sabotages our lives, why adoption is the heart of the gospel, and what it looks like to build a prosperous soul instead of merely accumulating wealth. If you’ve ever wrestled with fear, scarcity, performance, or wondered how union with the Father transforms the way you live, work, and steward what you’ve been given, this conversation offers a refreshing vision of freedom rooted in beloved identity rather than striving.

JIM LOVEJOY / FIRE PITS, FAMILY & THE FUTURE OF CHURCH

JIM LOVEJOY / FIRE PITS, FAMILY & THE FUTURE OF CHURCH

In this conversation, Jason and his son, Ethan, sit down with Jim Lovejoy for an honest, deeply personal discussion about leaving behind performance-based Christianity and discovering the freedom of beloved identity. Jimmy shares his remarkable journey from Marine, coach, and revival-driven evangelist to a father, mentor, and voice calling people into rest, family, and the love of God. The guys explore the difference between striving and learning, revival and reformation, church as an event versus church as family, and why the future of the Kingdom may look more like fire pits, shared meals, and authentic relationships than polished stages. If you’ve ever wondered whether God’s love is bigger than your performance, this conversation offers hope, healing, and a fresh vision of what it means to follow Jesus.

JUSTIN PAUL ABRAHAM / THE FUTURE IS BETTER THAN YOU THINK

JUSTIN PAUL ABRAHAM / THE FUTURE IS BETTER THAN YOU THINK

Justin Paul Abraham joins Jason for one of the most expansive conversations, exploring what happens when the gospel is no longer driven by fear, but by union, joy, and the limitless goodness of God. Together they unpack mystical encounters, the logic of love, contemplative spirituality, technology, creativity, AI, the future of humanity, and why the Kingdom isn’t retreating from the world—it’s transforming it. From the charismatic movement to ancient Christian mysticism, from heaven invading earth to discovering Christ in every corner of creation, this conversation invites listeners into a bigger, brighter vision of the gospel where love is the organizing principle of reality, and the future has never been more hopeful.

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CHRIS GORE / HOW GOOD IS THE FATHER, REALLY?

CHRIS GORE / HOW GOOD IS THE FATHER, REALLY?

What if Jesus didn’t come to change the Father’s mind about us—but to change our minds about the Father? Jason sits down with Chris Gore to explore his new book, How Good Is the Father, Really?, and the staggering goodness of God revealed in Jesus. From union and the cross to wrath, punishment, healing, and justice, Chris challenges the punitive God many of us inherited and invites us to discover a Father who is “always only good.” Along the way, they explore why the Father never turned His face from Jesus, how wrath might actually be love confronting everything that destroys the beloved, and why the gospel isn’t about escaping earth but bringing love, healing, hope, and life to the world right now. For more info on Chris: https://www.chrisgore.org/

JUSTIN PAUL ABRAHAM / THE FUTURE IS BETTER THAN YOU THINK

JUSTIN PAUL ABRAHAM / THE FUTURE IS BETTER THAN YOU THINK

Justin Paul Abraham joins Jason for one of the most expansive conversations, exploring what happens when the gospel is no longer driven by fear, but by union, joy, and the limitless goodness of God. Together they unpack mystical encounters, the logic of love, contemplative spirituality, technology, creativity, AI, the future of humanity, and why the Kingdom isn’t retreating from the world—it’s transforming it. From the charismatic movement to ancient Christian mysticism, from heaven invading earth to discovering Christ in every corner of creation, this conversation invites listeners into a bigger, brighter vision of the gospel where love is the organizing principle of reality, and the future has never been more hopeful.

STEPHEN K  DE SILVA / MONEY & THE PROSPEROUS SOUL

STEPHEN K DE SILVA / MONEY & THE PROSPEROUS SOUL

Jason and Brooke Waters sit down with Stephen K. De Silva for one of the most practical conversations you’ll hear on identity, money, and the goodness of God. Together they explore why belief systems always outrun financial skills, how orphan thinking quietly sabotages our lives, why adoption is the heart of the gospel, and what it looks like to build a prosperous soul instead of merely accumulating wealth. If you’ve ever wrestled with fear, scarcity, performance, or wondered how union with the Father transforms the way you live, work, and steward what you’ve been given, this conversation offers a refreshing vision of freedom rooted in beloved identity rather than striving.

CHRIS GORE / HOW GOOD IS THE FATHER, REALLY?

CHRIS GORE / HOW GOOD IS THE FATHER, REALLY?

What if Jesus didn’t come to change the Father’s mind about us—but to change our minds about the Father? Jason sits down with Chris Gore to explore his new book, How Good Is the Father, Really?, and the staggering goodness of God revealed in Jesus. From union and the cross to wrath, punishment, healing, and justice, Chris challenges the punitive God many of us inherited and invites us to discover a Father who is “always only good.” Along the way, they explore why the Father never turned His face from Jesus, how wrath might actually be love confronting everything that destroys the beloved, and why the gospel isn’t about escaping earth but bringing love, healing, hope, and life to the world right now. For more info on Chris: https://www.chrisgore.org/

MICOLE & BETHANY WALLACE / WHEN CHURCH HURT MEETS RADICAL HOPE

MICOLE & BETHANY WALLACE / WHEN CHURCH HURT MEETS RADICAL HOPE

What happens when church hurt, stage IV cancer, and deep theological reconstruction collide with an unshakable conviction that God is better than we’ve been told? In this deeply vulnerable conversation, Micole and Bethany Wallace share their remarkable journey—from serving fourteen years as worship pastors, to losing the ministry they thought would be home forever, to discovering Restoration City, walking through reconciliation with former friends, and facing Bethany’s stage IV breast cancer diagnosis.
Together they explore union with Christ, emotional healing, the impact of trauma on the body, the restoration of relationships, and the radical trust that grows when we stop pleading with God and begin to rest in His unwavering goodness. It’s a conversation about worship, healing, forgiveness, hope, and the long game of love that reminds us reconciliation is not just possible—it’s at the very heart of the gospel.

STEPHEN K  DE SILVA / MONEY & THE PROSPEROUS SOUL

STEPHEN K DE SILVA / MONEY & THE PROSPEROUS SOUL

Jason and Brooke Waters sit down with Stephen K. De Silva for one of the most practical conversations you’ll hear on identity, money, and the goodness of God. Together they explore why belief systems always outrun financial skills, how orphan thinking quietly sabotages our lives, why adoption is the heart of the gospel, and what it looks like to build a prosperous soul instead of merely accumulating wealth. If you’ve ever wrestled with fear, scarcity, performance, or wondered how union with the Father transforms the way you live, work, and steward what you’ve been given, this conversation offers a refreshing vision of freedom rooted in beloved identity rather than striving.

Art

what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance:
GODFREY BIRTILL / OTRAGEOUS GRACE

GODFREY BIRTILL / OTRAGEOUS GRACE

In this episode, Jason sits down with singer/songwriter Godfrey Birtill for a raw, funny, and moving conversation about outrageous grace, creativity, religion, and the scandalous goodness of God. From psychiatric wards to worship conferences and presence-filled songs, Godfrey shares how divine encounters, playful creativity, and a deep understanding of grace transformed his life and music, inspiring a fresh perspective on God’s love and the power of song. He also shares the story behind lyrics that have carried healing to thousands. Together, the fella explore what happens when the gospel stops being about performance and starts becoming an awakening to union, love, and the realization that God has never been disappointed in us.

JOEL CLARK, TRICIA HALSEY & JEEVA RATNATHICAM / DEEPLY ROOTED STORIES

JOEL CLARK, TRICIA HALSEY & JEEVA RATNATHICAM / DEEPLY ROOTED STORIES

In this special episode, Jason Clark introduces Deeply Rooted and the creative team behind the stories they have been quietly building for years—films, children’s books, and family-centered adventures designed to reveal the goodness of God, strengthen families, and awaken imagination. From the emotional feature film ALL IN to the wildly imaginative I Changed the World young adult book series, this conversation dives into storytelling, faith, creativity, healing, and why the stories we believe shape the people we become. It’s funny, vulnerable, inspiring, and full of behind-the-scenes insight into a growing movement of redemptive storytelling

BRIAN ZAHND / UNION, PILGRIMAGE, & UNSEEN EXISTENCES

BRIAN ZAHND / UNION, PILGRIMAGE, & UNSEEN EXISTENCES

What if heaven isn’t a distant destination — but a different dimension that’s closer than we think? In this conversation, Jason sits down with theologian, pastor, and author Brian Zahnd to explore his new book Unseen Existences — and what it means to recover a vision of transcendence in a world flattened by consumerism, politics, and pragmatism.

We talk about:

Why losing sight of heaven turns Christianity into partisan politics
The pilgrimage of the soul — and why nothing real happens fast
What Jesus weeping at Lazarus’s tomb tells us about God’s co-suffering with us
The prayer Brian prayed on June 4th, 2000 that changed everything
The censored chapter his publisher wouldn’t let him include — and where you can find it
Judas, Lazarus, universal hope, and the long arc of love

This is one of those conversations that reminds you the gospel is so much better than we’ve been told.

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